Oct 25 , PM 3. Oct 25 , PM 4. If so I'll be along to the Thorin's Hall celebrations - as none of my Dwarves have headed that way yet. Oct 25 , PM 5. Asking because my elf Belkhala is very fond of dwarves and if she'd hear there are ecelebrations at Thorin's Hall she'd be certainly trying to make it. Then she sees more than I ever will.
Oct 25 , PM 6. Oct 26 , AM 7. Love the Kin and is always a solemn moment to see Durins Folks together in their outfits, marching on the road Have fun!! My best estimate is November 1 or October 19 on our calendar according to Hunnewell; October 21 by my reckoning.
October 18, at pm. Actually, Samhain would correspond pretty closely with the First of November on my proposed month calendar, which would fall 8 weeks 56 days before the winter solstice October 26 for us. Iduna of Erebor said:. Bryan said:. September 22, at am. But if that was their plan, they figured it out long before I ever thought to explore the subject.
Chrisoula said:. I also wondered when Durins Day is upon us. Thank you for this! I know its far-fetched…the movies run at the same time. The Dwarrow Scholar said:. Thank you so much for this article Iduna, very well written and well-thought-out. Here is why:. October 7th… we should celebrate. September 22, at pm.
Thanks, Dwarrow Scholar! September 23, at am. January 21, at am. You missed one important point. The Summmer Solstice marked Midsummer not the beginning of summer. Therefore Yule was Midwinter! The end of autumn could have been observed on Blotmath November 15, or less formally at the end of the month.
The month of WInterfilth October was originally considered by hobbits to be last month of the year, immediately preceding the start of winter, so we might take that into consideration as well. Actually, that might be the key to this discussion. January 21, at pm. That is one of the major reasons for the different results, Andrew — by definition, a solstice marks the beginning of the season, not the middle of the season.
January 22, at am. However, Tolkien was not basing Middle-earth on modern conventions. The older English tradition was to begin winter at the start of December. Dale and Esgaroth were northern cities where winter weather could be expected early. It might be worth noting that Hobbiton would have been at nearly the same tatitude as Lake-town. Ah, that explains a lot. You are most welcome. Textually, that would make it too close to the end of the month the beginning of the last week before the onset of winter if we assume the beginning of December for the start of winter.
I have to say, I still like the twenty-second day of Winterfilth our November 2 better. I have to admire the people who go through the work of finding out all this information- great for us nerds but pretty useless in real world application.
Props to you for fall your digging and pondering. Ellen said:. September 23, at pm. Thank you for your work and please continue!
Glen said:. August 7, at am. I think the author of that article used a different method of calculating it than you use, so what say you? Andrrew Laubacher said:. August 8, at am. Replying to your email, by my best estimate the Dwarven New Year of should fall on October 2 of the Gregorian calendar.
Assumptions: 1. The Battle of Five armies was fought late in the eleventh month of Blotmath on the Shire calendar. The Dwarves of Erebor probably observed the beginning of Winter at or near the start of Blotmath about our October 21, give or take a few days.
Rule of Thumb: Subtract 10 days from the Shire Calendar to find the equivalent date on the Gregorian calendar. October 13, at pm. As the sun turned west there was a gleam of yellow upon its far roof, as if the light caught the last pale leaves.
Soon he saw the e ball of the sun sinking towards the level of his eyes. He went to the opening and there pale and faint was a thin new moon above the rim of Earth. I used Dr. The rest is up for interpretation. Now, my question is how do you conclude that October 30 was a new moon? Especially when Tolkien, by at least one estimate, seems to place it no later than October 19? I also get a different result from Tolkien, but that seems to be my closer alignment with the Shire Midsummer with the summer solstice.
Tolkien seems to place Midsummer a couple of days later or he made a mistake in his calculations. The conversion found at Tolkien Gateway splits the difference. October 14, at am. October 14, at pm. How is that possible even if you are using November 7 S. After the date is converted to the Gregorian calender that places the end of Autumn and the old year as reckoned by the Men of Rhovanion and the Hobbits of the Anduin Vales no later than October 26 October 26 plus 10 days to equal 6 Blotmath.
Are you not performing that conversion? For my part, I am still assuming 1 Blotmath S. This must occur with the last moon of Autumn closest to the start of Winter — but — in the new crescent phase. If summer begins on June 1 as the Encyclopedia claims , yavie would begin on August 12th [ 4b]. If summer begins at the solstice, then yavie begins 21 days later, around September 1st [ 4c]. In the latter cases, yavie is still not equivalent to the meteorological or traditional seasons because both it and the second fall season following it were only 54 days long.
The source material does not obviously favor any of the four options, but Graham Lockwood describes the ample but subtle evidence for 3. Autumn 1 pushes the New Year well into December, which was out of the question when comparing to the Encyclopedia.
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